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  • TFRStaff 10:43 am on February 29, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    Lost and Found: A girl was asked where she found Jesus 

    A little girl was once asked where she found Jesus. She replied, "Just where I lost myself." How true! In just this way every spiritual blessing is received from Jesus Christ our Lord. —Albert P. Graves

    Galatians 2:20 – I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

    Ephesians 1:3-6 – Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

    "Thoughts For Today to Brighten Your Day" by Glenn, Mercedes and Lauren Hitchcock

     

  • The Old Cowboy - Roy Coffman 9:38 am on February 29, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    The Old Cowboy has a little bit more of the story and lessons learned from my time in Ada, Oklahoma. We settled down into the rutine of being residents of Ada, and I settled into doing the morning radio show, and selling advertising for KADA Radio. I don’t remember the name of the minister who occupied the pulpit. I recon the lesson of this story is that he wasn’t anything special for us at that time. The friendship I developed with my friend Tom continued to grow, as did my teaching ability in the high school Bible class. Then one Sunday the guy in the pulpit presented what I guess the old timers would call his exit sermon and he was gone. It didn’t take long and my friend Tom was in the pulpit full time, and he would stay there for many years. What that meant for me was that he left the high school Bible class for me to teach. This cowboy and a bunch of young high school kids over the next year or two grew a lot. Tom and I would visit about the high school class almost every week. I also enjoyed it when some of the elders of the congregation would call the radio station or drop by and we would go have lunch or drink coffee.

    All the while Paty and I continued to grow as Christians, as husband and wife and as parents. Patty was a stay at home mom and Amy was a fun little girl and daughter. Then one day Patty made the announcement we were going to add another member to our family. Amy had been born on December 5th, 1971 on a snow covered Sunday morning in Shawnee, Oklahooma. Twenty-five years earlier I had been born in Shawnee as well. Shane was born on Friday morning May 24th,1974, in the same hospital where his mother had been born twenty-one years earlier. Simply put this was a great time in our lives, and looking back I think it was the best years in our marriage.

    I recon at this point I should mention a word or two about my experiences as an early morning country music radio announcer and radio time salesman at KADA Radio. My radio show began at 5:30 am Monday through Saturday and weekdays ended at 9:00am and on Saturday’s at noon. During the week at 6:05 am after the news the Southwest congregation sponsored the “Power For The Day” little five minute radio lesson. A few minutes later I would open the phone lines for the “Trading Post.” The little ten minute segment was designed for regular folks to sell junk around the house. Some days it became a talk show and was very popular as was all of my show. Selling advertising I made I made friends with several people who would help to change my life for the next thirty-eight years. That will have to be the next story.

    What I would like to leave you with today is that Patty and I grew as Christians, husband and wife, and as parents because of the individuals who made us a part of their every day lives, and seeing what a real Christian example looked like. Several years later we would move to Omaha, Nebraska and loose that support.

     

  • Ed Boggess 7:58 am on February 29, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Before you opt for that bargain, you might want to hear this: Florida Oneal Morris, who claims to be a lady doctor, is neither a woman nor a doctor. However, this didn’t keep her or him from injecting a toxic mixture of cement, mineral oil and flat tire sealant into a victim’s derriere who was seeking a curvier body at cut-rate expense. Needless to say, it didn’t work out so well for either one of them. One landed in the hospital and the other in jail. As for me and my family, when I visit a doctor I want to know it is a genuine and accredited physician. The same thing does for spiritual welfare as well. I am not going to listen to every loon who claims a dream or revelation; I am going to the Word of God, the testimony of the Holy Spirit, tried and true through the ages. I’m looking for a book, chapter and verse; a “thus saith the Lord”. This is Just-a-Minute with Ed Boggess

     

  • Ron Thomas 5:00 am on February 29, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    1 Chronicles 

    1. Chapters 1- 9: The book of Chronicles, in these first nine chapters seems to be mundane reading. It is mundane (it seems) because one reads name after name after name, wondering what the point of it all is worth. In 9:1 we are told that all Israel had their genealogies recorded. These genealogies were important because in them the Levitical priesthood could be maintained with purity. These records were kept in the king’s charge (not the book of Kings). Here is a portion of an article in the ISBE on the importance of genealogies in Israel: “Genealogical accuracy, always of interest both to primitive and more highly civilized peoples, was made especially important by the facts that the land was promised to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, that the priesthood was exclusively hereditary, that the royal succession of Judah lay in the Davidic house, that the division and occupation of the land was according to tribes, families and fathers’ houses; and for the David, at least, that the Messiah was to be of the house of David.”
    2. Application: In C-9 I find this to be worthy of note because of the role/work that some had, and how important it was (cf. 9:33). We sometimes lose sight of how important our individual role might be to the overall scheme of what we are involved in. We lose sight, perhaps, because we are very good at what we do and it has become a mundane routine of accomplishment. We lose sight, perhaps, because we fail to see the role we are playing in the big picture. Whatever the reason let us not lose sight of our importance, our particular role, and the greater cause.
     

  • Weylan Deaver 4:40 pm on February 28, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    Tennessee Bible College’s Annual Leadership Day 

    It took place last Saturday in Cookeville, Tennessee, and the audio is already on their website here: http://www.tn-biblecollege.edu/leadershipday.html. Its format was unique, with several brief sketches of preachers from a bygone era. Enjoy.

     

  • The Old Cowboy - Roy Coffman 10:23 am on February 28, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    The Old Cowboy has another story about people who have been a big influence in my life, along with a little lesson to teach. We had been married a little over a year and we left Shawnee, Oklahoma to move to Ada, Oklahoma, for me to take a job at KADA-AM. We moved what little furniture we owned and our very young daughter Amy into an old well worn house just off Main Street in Ada. Come Sunday morning we headed off to the Southwest church of Christ. Our lives, and especially mine were about to change. Patty years before when her family lived in Ada had attended the Southwest congregation, and it was like a favorite daughter had returned home. I don’t remember now how many young families like us were there, but there were several. Instantly we were made a part of their daily lives and activities. One couple, Glendel and Paula Hatton became very good friends, and the first thing I knew I was in a Bible study with them.

    You see, up until this time I had not been baptized, and it wasn’t because I wasn’t ready, and didn’t know what I needed to do. I guess it was just that pipeline welder’s brat attitude, and the fact I really didn’t know if I trusted churches. I had not grown up in one of any kind, and my folks just did not like churches, and my dad loved to cuss the Christian Church preacher who lived next door to us. I had already figured out because of the gentle teaching of Leon Davis that the church of Christ was different. To make a long story short, Glendel was like Leon in that he could and did answer any objections I had, and he didn’t back down. So one night this young cowboy said lets do it. My life was about to experience a big change.

    Not long afterwards the congregation moved into a big new building, and some where during those early weeks Tom, fresh out of preaching school came to be the youth minister. He was about a month older then I was and we instantly became friends, and have remained so through all of these years. He must have seen something in this cowboy and radio announcer. He started calling me and saying he had a Bible study to conduct and he was coming to pick me up. Some times he didn’t waste time, he just came and got me. Then of all things he told me I was going to be his assistant teacher in the high school Bible class. There were a lot of smart kids in that class, and most had grown up in the church. My Bible education kicked into high gear. Some of the young men in that class are now preachers, and I know a couple became deacons and there might be at least one elder from that class. Today I could not be prouder of this group of high school students. Many of them today are on my Facebook friends list, and I grin when I see how much they have grown and the great examples they and their kids have become.

    There is a lot more to this story, however that is for another day. In the next five years I learned a great deal about what you find in the pages of the Bible from some outstanding teachers. I learned how to put together a Bible class, had my first experience in presenting a devotional, and my first experiences down front. My radio experiences made a big leap, and I learned more about being a calf roper, became a rodeo announcer, had my first motor sports experinences, and the entertainment world bug hit. There is a lot more to tell.

     

  • Ron Thomas 10:00 am on February 28, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    There is not a single person I know who likes to be considered wrong in (or on) a particular belief. In fact, when another comments that you are wrong there might be a number of responses to that assertion. You could become angry, defensive, you might respond by putting distance between you and the accuser, or you might attempt to counter the assertion by a reasoned reply.

    Not long ago a brother (Stephen Bradd) brought to our attention a website that accused the Lord’s church of being wrong on some particular topics; at the very least, they have questioned what is believed by them. The word “legalism” is used often in this essay. They preface their treatise with this headline: “Bible Questions for the Church of Christ.” New Testament Christians should never feel ill-at-ease when faced when a headline (or remark) like that. In fact, Christians should always go to the Scripture to see if those things that are said are accurate.

    Thus, the “Bible-based, para-church ministry not affiliated with any denomination” website has given us the opportunity to do exactly that. Unfortunately, the website that poses to ask tough questions did more commentating on various topics than asking questions. Nevertheless, questions were asked. The Fellowship Room is currently running a series of articles (in dialogue fashion) that addresses these questions and comments.

    If you have an interest in looking at it in its full context, let me encourage you to check it out.

    http://www.faithfacts.org/world-religions-and-theology/church-of-christ

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    A study of CC doctrine is, of course, not complete without a look at instrumental music! The non-instrumental music wing of the CC feels so strongly about this that they will not fellowship with churches who use instrumental music, saying “We don’t fellowship the instrument.” A cappella singing is wonderful and most worshipful! The concern is why this issue would cause folks to break fellowship with other Christians.

    1. Why is instrumental music not allowed in worship when the definition of psalm (which you do allow) is a hymn set to instrumental music (see Strong’s Dictionary of the Greek New Testament, as well as any English dictionary)? Since psalms are included in a proper worship (Ephesians 5:19), shouldn’t instrumental music necessarily be used in worship to be obedient to Scripture? Is it being disobedient to Paul’s instruction by not using psalms correctly in the worship service? In other words, given the definition of psalm, by your own rules of “inclusion and exclusion,” doesn’t the Bible require instrumental music?

    RT – I don’t think you have given necessary thought to this series of questions. The definition of the English hymn does not mean a “hymn set to instrumental music”! You might want to get a better dictionary than the one you have if you read this from Strong’s. Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words defines hymn simply as “song of praise addressed to God” (p. 581). The word had no direct connection to the use of the mechanical instrument or the non-use of the mechanical instrument. Are you sure that psalms includes the mechanical instrument whenever the word is used in the New Testament? According to Mounce (p. 548) the word is used 7 times in the New Testament. They are: Luke 20:42; 24:44, Acts 1:20; 13:33, 1 Corinthians 14:26, Ephesians 5:19, and Colossians 3:16. Please, tell me, is the mechanical instrument to be understood in each and all these contexts? If you make a distinction, why? Exactly, what is the definition of the word psalms?  Bauer’s Greek lexicon defines it “song of praise, psalm” (p. 891).

    2. Aren’t there instruments of music in worship to God in heaven (Rev 5:8)? Aren’t there instruments of music in worship in the Old Testament? Is there any condemnation of instruments of music anywhere in the Bible (chapter 5, Silence Says Something)? While there are many Psalms quoted in the New Testament, why are there no statements of caution to make sure to not obey the musical instrument passages in the Psalms? Is this practice from the Word of God or is it a tradition of men? Is it really so important as to break fellowship with other Christians?

    RT – Yes, there is an instrument mentioned in heaven, but is this your justification? If it is, since each of the twenty-four elders had a harp, will you require each member of the congregation to also have a harp? Moreover, each one of the elders also had a golden-bowl full of incense; will you justify your practice of the use of the golden-bowl of incense on the same passage? If you won’t, why not? To use that as justification is to use all that is said in the verse (not to mention the chapter). You ask about the instruments of music in the Old Testament, but is it the Old Testament that gives us our authority to do things under the authority of the New Testament? This is mighty strange that you would go back there to find your justification for a church practice that the New Testament does not authorize.  With regard to your last two questions these are much more easily answered than you realize. Why no caution? When the Lord said something was to be done, did He need to tell us what NOT to do? What He told us to do is our caution! In other words, to go beyond what the Lord said is presumptuous; to go beyond what the Lord said means one does not have God in so doing (2 John 9-11). The use of the mechanical instrument is a tradition of man – since there is no New Testament sanction for its use in the worship of the local congregation.

    3. Is there a single solitary sentence anywhere in all of Scripture that even hints of God’s dissaproval of instrumental accompaniment to singing (Maxey on Pinkerton).

     RT – Might we ask a similar question: Is there a single solitary sentence anywhere in all of Scripture that even hints of God’s dis-approval of praying to Mary? An interesting question it might be, but it misses the point. In the New Testament, those who seek to be pleasing to God will follow and practice what He said He wants done; they will not see where they can get something “squeezed in” in order to satisfy the human ear; they will not seek to go beyond what He has said. In fact, those who seek to be pleasing to God will not even entertain the thought of trying to “squeeze in” anything that is not pleasing to God as He revealed Himself.  

    4. It seems to us that the Church of Christ is desparately inconsistent in interpreting the Bible. If necessary to prove a point, the CC calls on the Old Testament. Examples: In order to try to disprove Original Sin, you call on Ezekiel 18:19-32. If you want to support patternism, you call on Leviticus 10:1-2. Aside from both of the passages taken out of context to prove a point, why do you conveniently ignore the Old Testament passages about instrumental music?

    RT – Since the New Testament teaches that we can learn much from the old covenant (Romans 15:4), New Testament Christians will do exactly that. We learn much when Ezekiel 18 addresses the nature of sin and to whom it is against. Ezekiel tells us the way God addresses sin and the sinner, and this transcends covenants. Romans 5:12 gives us the thrust of Ezekiel 18; death passed unto all men, not sin.  This notion of “patternism” and your rejection of it is only a superficial rejection. For instance, do you go to a church building each Sunday morning? Do you sing songs of praise with the mechanical instrument each Sunday morning? Do you hear preaching each Sunday morning? Do you give of your means each Sunday morning (or whatever the frequency)? Why is this not a pattern? There is no ignorance of the Old Testament, but it must be rightly applied (2 Timothy 2:15). 

     

  • Larry Miles 7:53 am on February 28, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    Words In Season E-Zine (Mar. 2012) 

    The  March 2012 issue of  ”Words In Season” is now  ”live.” I hope you will check it  out, pray for its  outreach and tell others about  it via your e-mail list. You can “like” it  on FB (both site and articles) and  can  sign up to  receive  it  via  RSS Feed. Thanks in advance!

    Volume 2, Number 3

     

  • Ron Thomas 5:00 am on February 28, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    2 Samuel 24 

    1. The events of the chapter read easy enough, but difficulty arises when read in comparison with 1 Chronicles 21. In 1 Chronicles there are two significant differences. First, there is the impetus as to who inspired the counting; second, there is variance in the total number counted. One approach to the first difficulty, and one I think is quite reasonable, is that offered by R. Payne Smith (Pulpit Commentary), “In saying that David was moved of Jehovah to number Israel and Judah, the writer acknowledges the great truth that all action, both good and evil, is of God. ‘Shall there be evil in a city, and Jehovah hath not done it?’(Amos 3:6).” Taking a census was not sinful inherently speaking (cf. Exodus 30:11-16), but David’s motivation was sinful (24:10). With regard to the second difficulty there is a variation between Samuel and Chronicles, but also Josephus.  Youngblood mentions that the variance between the three suggests a text critical problem (p. 608). The point, when you really get right down to it is not the variance, but the motivation. David had done wrong, and the Lord called him to account. Three options were presented to David, and David chose the one where the Lord’s mercy will have sway. Still, the Lord brought a severe judgment to and against the people of the land. David sought the Lord’s counsel, and the Lord gave him counsel. That which David sacrificed and the location where his sacrifice was given became the location of the Temple that was to be built.
    2. Application: The three options given to David were severe all across the board, but he had come to learn that whatever it is (or was) that the Lord can do it would be more merciful than what man would do to him, not to mention more just. What could man do? Whatever he could and would do David knew that with man there is limitation, but in man’s limitation he seems to wish to not be bound by his own limitations!
     

  • TFRStaff 3:26 am on February 28, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    Your perspective on church (non)-growth stats 

    Several are writing about recent reports on the US church’s loss in membership. Have any of you written about it, its impact, causes, or cures? If so, please include a link in the comments section.

    If not, the Fellows are welcome to discourse at will in new posts.

     

  • Chad Dollahite 1:38 pm on February 27, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Illustration: Through Another Man’s Eyes 

    Do you remember the Old Testament story of Eliam?  Ok, maybe not.  Eliam is a rather obscure character in the Old Testament.  In fact he is only mentioned twice, but here’s his story.  Eliam was a father of a little girl.  Like all fathers he loved his daughter and watched her grow into a beautiful young lady.  The day finally came that Eliam gave his daughter’s hand to a young man to be his wife.  Eliam’s daughter and son-in-law were making a life together when tragedy befell them.  One day, when Eliam’s son-in-law was away at work, several men came to his home, took his wife away, and gave her to their leader, and he had sexual relations with her. Not only that, but this man of power also had Eliam’s son-in-law murdered. (More …)

     

  • Weylan Deaver 11:31 am on February 27, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    "God is directly responsible only for the fact of freedom, not for all the acts of freedom."

    Norman Geisler & Paul Feinberg, "Introduction to Philosophy (A Christian Perspective)" p. 329

     

    • J. Randal Matheny 3:37 am on February 28, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      I have that book, but haven’t peeked at it in a while. Maybe I need to pick it up again?

      I sent this quote to QBT, with a link back to here. Thanks! http://quickbibletruths.com

      • Weylan Deaver 11:16 am on February 28, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Very tedious, that book. I’m most of the way through it, but am thinking there must be a better intro to philosophy out there.

        • J. Randal Matheny 11:27 am on February 28, 2012 Permalink

          I think I bought it in college for an Intro to Philosophy class. Wasn’t and isn’t my cup of tea, and I wound up dropping the course. Maybe because I’m more an intuitive than analytic thinker, dunno. But the book continues to collect dust.

  • The Old Cowboy - Roy Coffman 10:50 am on February 27, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    The Old Cowboy I recon will answer a couple of requests of friends and write a word or two about politics and politicians. I figure both of them are like Oklahoma red mud. You drive around in the stuff and it gets all over the truck and the trailer, and it makes it hard to see the correct turn through the windshield. So you have to stop at a car wash and wash the stuff off the truck and the trailer and especially the windshield. That way you can drive off and leave the stuff behind, and then you’ll be able to see where the correct turn is.

     

  • Ron Thomas 10:00 am on February 27, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    A Few Thoughts From: Matthew 26 

    I have always been impressed with the Lord’s words concerning an act of devotion by a woman (26:11). What impresses me most is how Mark records it. “She has done what she could” (Mark 14:8).  It may be that some saints feel as if they can do nothing in comparison with other saints; I would encourage them, however, to not make such comparisons. It is not a matter of what one can do in comparison with another, but did she (he) do what he (she) could do?

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    It is terribly unfortunate if one thinks that because we have the poor with us always that somehow justifies not tending to the needs of those saints who are poor.

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    Would you betray the Son of Man for a month’s wage, as Judas did? When the Lord said to his disciples that one around the table was actually guilty (26:23) no one could possibly understand such an egregious act being contemplated, so they ask the Lord “Is it I?” Judas asked the same question. I wonder why? Was his guilt so over-powering that in order to alleviate any suspicion by the others he asked the Lord the same? I suspect that is the case. How disappointed, dispiriting, and sunk he felt when the Lord replied!

     

  • Ed Boggess 8:04 am on February 27, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Three Boy Scouts wandered off during a hike and got lost on a North Carolina mountain. But just as I was taught as a Scout – “be prepared” – they pitched a tent and stayed warm in sleeping bags. In the morning they ate a snack and started off to find their rescuers. A helicopter spotted them and they were back with their parents before the day ended. “Be prepared” – that is a good motto for everyone. How prepared are you? Most of us travel along through this life distracted by all its bells and whistles, oblivious to the fact that it could end at any moment. Life is so fragile – an accident, a sudden illness – and it is over. “Be prepared” – good advise! One thing for sure, sooner or later, it’s going to end. Then what? This is Just-a-Minute with Ed Boggess

     

  • The Old Cowboy - Roy Coffman 7:22 am on February 27, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    The Old Cowboy looking out at a new week thought a comment from Ralph Lauren would be a good reminder for us; “A Leader has the vision and conviction that a dream can be achieved. He inspires the power and energy to get it done.” Be a leader this week!!!

     

  • TFRStaff 5:04 am on February 27, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    Come alive 

    Living is not a spectator sport. No one, at any price, is privileged to sit in the stands and watch the action from a distance. Being born means being a participant in the arena of life, where opposition is fierce and winning comes only to those who exert every ounce of energy. – Jeanne Hendricks

    James 4:14-15 -whereas you do not know what will happen tomorrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away. Instead you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we shall live and do this or that.”

    Isaiah 46:10 – Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’

    “Thoughts For Today to Brighten Your Day” by Glenn, Mercedes and Lauren Hitchcock

     

  • Ron Thomas 5:03 am on February 27, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Did Moses Do This? 

    Are preachers doing the same thing Moses did? It may not be as far removed as you might think.

    http://etsop95.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/did-moses-do-this/

     

  • Ron Thomas 5:00 am on February 27, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    2 Samuel 23 

    1. David’s words (Psalms) are words that have been approved, inspired by God. The one who rules in the affairs of man must be one who renders justice properly. Subjects will look upon his rule as with much pleasure and satisfaction as they look out at a clear sky in the morning hours. Those who are rebellious, on the other hand, will be as thorn bushes discarded (23:1-7). The remainder of the chapter focuses on David men in their military capacity (23:8-39).
    2. Application: As you consider the military victories that David’s men had gained it might be easy to think that military prowess is a virtue of and from God. This would be a mistake. Without the Lord taking the lead to establish David what military victories were gained by his men would have been defeats.
     

  • J. Randal Matheny 5:32 pm on February 26, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Prayer, spirituality and finding God 

    I’m rethinking what to do with the prayer segments we’ve started in the GoSpeak/Forthright family, which tend to get second-tier attention. That obviously is not good. Among possible options is the use of the posterous site, which I really like. This morning I wrote this little poem/hymn of praise, which you might enjoy and use in your private devotion. Or set to music for the use of the church.

    • John H. and Mike R. have been contributing to the Twitter United Prayer account. I appreciate them rescuing it from extinction.

    • Lipscomb U. has an Institute of Christian Spirituality, or something like that. Except they look more denominational than biblical. Why do works and efforts on spirituality so often go awry? Does it have to do with spiritual navel-gazing?

    • Spirituality (not a word that occurs in the Bible, by the way) has to do, profoundly, with mission. A point often missed, since it seems often to be an item for the market rather than for the closet. That is, it’s a commodity to be sold rather than a practice to be lived.

    • Then again, spirituality cannot be just a utilitarian wing of church work. It is not a mere tool in a Christian’s arsenal. My definition of spirituality is life in the Spirit, with all that entails. Maybe you have a better definition.

    • This morning’s Quick Bible Truths post says something to the effect that the church is the place to find God. A good sister took issue with it on Facebook. Do you have a problem with that phrase as it is? Does it express something foreign to the Word? Is this an objectionable concept?

     

    • Eugene Adkins 8:30 pm on February 26, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Hey Randal,

      Just wondering on what basis the sister you refer to took issue with the statement that the church is the place to find God? I see no problem with that statement according to Ephesians 3:10-12.

      • J. Randal Matheny 8:36 pm on February 26, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        I think she’s thinking that people in the church have already found God. Other than that, I’m not sure.

  • The Old Cowboy - Roy Coffman 2:27 pm on February 26, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    The Old Cowboy has another true story to offer from out of my past and early experiences, It is presented simply to make you and me think about what we do. In the early weeks when Leon Davis made it clear that I could not pick his daughter up at the door of the church building unless I had at least attended worship services with her, I had my first experiences with a church of Christ. Those Sunday mornings were an experience for a pipeline welders son who had grown up squirrel and deer hunting on Sunday mornings. This was right before I tured twenty-three years old so I had already been around the block a time or two. I would sit there and watch and listen. The prayers I expected and the singing and the songs were some times ones I had already played on my radio show. Yes, I did find it interesting there wasn’t at least a guitar to keep them on key. It did help that there was a program sheet that told me what was next, I had used that kind of thing during stage shows. The part of the morning that caught my attention the most was what they called the communion or Lord’s Supper. I notcied right off five guys went up front, and one of them would stand in the middle and talk. Some of those guys would drone on forever, and then one of them would say a prayer, and they would pass around the crackers and a little container of grape juice. I sat there wondering what was so special about this feature for a few Sunday’s. Then one of the young guys, about my age took a turn in the middle.. His knees and his voice shook like a newborn colt, and he really didn’t say much, he just got right to the point. That was the first time any of those guys had explained what it was all about, and then the prayer even made sense Up until then I had wondered if this was just a short pre-sermon with a ritual that always included the crackers and grape juice. Besides Patty had told me I didn’t have to do it, so I didn’t worry about it. Later Leon found a reason for us to go look for something in the shop, and he explained why it was so special. Then I understood, and I was a lot more interested the next Sunday morning. Today when it’s my turn to be in the middle, I keep it short and on subject. I figure there might be some wild haired country boy out in the audience that is wondering what’s going on, and why we do it. I offer this portion of my history just to make us think about what we do, and the example we demonstrate.

     

  • J. Randal Matheny 6:49 pm on February 25, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Would that we all had this effect upon people 

    by Oliver Goldsmith

    At church, with meek and unaffected grace,
    His looks adorn’d the venerable place;
    Truth from his lips prevail’d with double sway,
    And fools, who came to scoff, remain’d to pray.

     

  • The Old Cowboy - Roy Coffman 11:03 am on February 25, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    The Old Cowboy this morning has been pondering the fact that I have learned a lot from folks that are over eighty years old. A couple of the lessons I have learned are worth repeating here, In his musings the Apostle Paul tells us of the the influence the great Jewish Rabbin Gamaliel had on his life in Acts 22:3-ff and then we read of the people’s respect for Gamaliel in Acts 5:34-39. Paul’s education as most know started in Tarsus, the capital city of Cilicia in Asia Minor. It is interesting to me that the city was a great trade center and the home of a great university.

    Many who read my musing today have spent time around a great university, and have been influenced by great teachers. Several have in one way or another influenced me and how I finally grew up. There have been teachers and great examples like Dr. Clyde Woods at Freed-Hardeman University, who still teaches, and his upper division Greek class will keep you up at night. Many of the books in my library traveled from his hand to mine. I have learned a huge number of things about the early church at the feet of Dr. Evrett Ferguson who for years taught at Abilene Christian University and is still writing books. Sitting on my desk right now is Dr. Stafford North’s book on Revelation and his book on how to construct a sermon. Stafford still teaches at Oklahoma Christian University and for the Bear Valley Bible Institute of Denver Colorado. Some of my most enjoyable times these days come from sitting for a few hours talking about church and Bible things with Bill and Patty Kinney here in Omaha. Bill preached in Texas and Oklahoma and was an elder for many years here in Omaha and he still preaches a good sermon. I mention all of these people today partly to say thank you. The lessons learned from each of these 80 plus year old individulas include, keep working, don’t quit, there is more to do, the job is not finished.

    Country music legend George Jones recorded a song entitled “Who’s Gonna Fill Their Shoes.” Yep I am aware that song is about country music legends, however the lesson still stands for this post. We do in the brotherhood have a wagon load of other outstanding teachers and great examples. Allow me to encourage you to take the time to say thank you to these great teachers, encourage them and support their efforts any way possible. Then step back and take the time to do the same for our young students and young first time preachers. Take them by the hand and help them through the rigors and disappointments they will encounter along the way.

    I would like to add a little comment to the end of this post today. The Old Cowboy posts and comments to this point have been true stories right out of my experiences and past, and some of the thoughts that have crossed my mind during the experiences.

     

  • J. Randal Matheny 8:45 am on February 25, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    A ‘carnist’ farmer reviews a vegetarian book 

    review: Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs and Wear Cows by raybowman on The Farmer Feeds Us All

    Melanie Joy writes this book from a vegetarian perspective, but it’s not as preachy as you’d expect. Instead, Dr. Joy examines ideological and ethical viewpoints of both vegetarians and meat-eaters, which she labels carnists. It’s a bit of a pejorative, but I’ll cut her some slack on that.

     

  • J. Randal Matheny 12:05 pm on February 24, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    Rick writes poignantly on grief 

    Wearing grief | Root Downward, Fruit Upward

    Some days you forget you are wearing it. But on rainy days, it gets wet and heavy, and you just wish you could find a way to dry off. Some weeks, it rains every day; in better weeks, perhaps only a few.

    Beautiful words, that will sweep you along.

     

    • Rick Kelley (@rickkelley365) 8:04 pm on February 29, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Brother, I think I just noticed this for the first time. Thanks a bushel for the nod. Much appreciated.

  • J. Randal Matheny 11:28 am on February 24, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    I heard it coming before I smelled it. Unusual, since I usually smell it in the air first. The clothes were drying on the line, pretty much dry. (We don’t have an mechanical dryer.) So I ran out and pulled them off just as the rain started falling. Maybe I saved most of them. Got a bit wet myself. Had to leave the flip-flops outside. But I love the cool rain. You’ll hear no complaints from me.

    The Missus and The Maiden are out buying groceries and some birthday presents. Reckon The Missus will kiss me for being a good hubbie?

    #familylife

     

    • John Henson 2:12 pm on February 26, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      I like that first couple of sentences. Read them to my wife. I said, “you have clothes drying in the sun. Tell me what this is,” and then I read the sentences. She said, “Rain.”

    • J. Randal Matheny 4:32 pm on February 26, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Smart woman, that wife of yours.

  • J. Randal Matheny 11:16 am on February 24, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    What to do with doubts? 

    Do what John the Baptist did: take them to the Lord Jesus Christ. http://is.gd/doubt_out #doubt

     

  • The Old Cowboy - Roy Coffman 11:03 am on February 24, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    The Old Cowboy is thrilled to have my meager literary efforts included on The Fellowship Room pages along with such a great group of Bible scholars and teachers. Over the last year or so I have read many posts planted on social networks like Facebook, Google+ and other blogs. Many times what I see and read on the web takes me back to the days of being a rough around the edges pipeline welder’s brat. You remember the story of the days when I watched the church kids on the other side of the fence playing games and eating hotdogs. They never did invite me to jump the fence and join in. That upset me until the day a church kid namd Dickey, a twelve year old, about a year older them me sauntered over to the fence, and asked me if I was a Christian. I told him I reconed I was, and he asked me if I had been baptized, and I told him nope. That church kid proceeded to tell me I wasn’t a Christian and I was going to go to Hell. I looked him in the face and told him he could go to Hell, and I walked off. I was finished with those smart mouthed church kids. It took me twelve years and falling in love with a church girl before I had a clue about what he was getting at.

    Today I see a lot of Dickey’s posting a lot of scriptures and condemning sound bites and telling people they are going to go to Hell. I always sit there thinking, you need to understand that most of the church kids on your side of the fence know what you are jawing about. On the other hand the rough around the edges pipeline welder’s brat on the other side of the fence has no clue what you are talking about.

    Now take this in a kind way from an Old Cowboy that’s been on the other side of the fence. Throwing scriptures and condemning remarks into the crowd to see who you can hit, is not teaching a thing. A pretty and long haired country girl in my life, when I spout off something she doesn’t understand, will simply look at me and say “explain please.” It’s good advice and I have learned to pay attention to her.

     

  • Ron Thomas 10:00 am on February 24, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Errors of the Church of Christ (13) 

    True Church

    Based on the responses, this essay is one of Al Maxey’s biggest hits. Please read Maxey on The Universal Body and offer your critique.

     RT – I ask that you forgive me since I do not plan on reading what Al said. Some years ago I did, but when I saw it was an agenda based on one’s preference, I turned away.

    Are we saved by the Church of Christ, or the Christ of the church?

     RT – We are saved by Christ.

    Walter Scott in the preface of his book, The Gospel Restored, said: “In 1827 the True Gospel was restored. For distinction’s sake it was styled the Ancient Gospel.” In a more recent Church of Christ tract, the writer says: “She [the church] was HIDDEN for 1260 years, that she might be protected from the power of the Popes.” Is it true that some within the CC still teach that the true church was really completely hidden for some 1260 years, so hidden in fact that Alexander Campbell had to find a Baptist preacher to baptize him?

     RT- You’ll forgive me if I fail to see the importance of these remarks and this question. Does it matter what some might think relative to this?

    Apparently not all CC people have this understanding of the 1260 year church gap. Some only say that the true church existed during those 1260 years, although believers had to worship in secret lest they be persecuted by the apostate Catholic church. But if you do hold to the gap view, what is the meaning of Mat 28:20 (“And lo, I am with you all the days, even unto the end of the age.”)? AndEphesians 3:21 (“Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end.”) If the church was in apostasy for centuries, why does Jesus say, “The gates of hell shall not prevail against it”?

    RT – What the Lord said rings true whether the church is large or small; whether the church is in one location or many. With regard to the opinions of men you have offered, there is no incompatibility in the words of Jesus and the thinking of some men. If there is you’ll need to demonstrate. Perhaps a reading of Revelation 12 would be useful.  

    Is it correct that sometimes the CC considers Christians who “do not walk with you,” as Ketcherside claims (chapter 22, Butting Brethren) to be “hobbyists, or dishonest, or insincere, or sectarians, or unworthy of notice?” Did Jesus die for a particular party within Christendom? Do you know precisely where God would draw the line to eliminate certain people from being considered Christians? How would you define “sect?” Would you define it differently than Cecil Hook (chapter 24 beginning on page 84, One Hundred)?

     RT – These questions have no real value with regard to what the Scriptures teach. They may be of interest to some, but not to me. With regard to your question – that has been answered previously.

    Hasn’t the church always been in need of reform and restoration—even from the beginning, as evidenced by Paul’ letters to his churches? If a man loses his leg, doesn’t he still have the essential nature of a man? If the church loses some correct practices, doesn’t it still have the essential nature of a church (chapter 19, Identity)?

    RT – Whenever there is a human involved in administering the Lord’s teaching to self (or others) there will need to be reform. That is the nature of the case because man is far removed from the Lord – apart from Jesus. Yes, the essential nature of man is still intact with the loss of a leg, but the loss is a loss, and the ability to do as the Creator designed to be done is lost. What of a church? The nature of a church may still be intact with a loss of “some correct practices.” However, the loss of a leg is accidental (medical), is the loss of “some correct practice” the same? While the answer is readily apparent, let us develop this answer a bit more. Simply having the “essential nature of a church” is inadequate to the problem at hand. If there is (or are) correct practices to a church, and that correct practice is not applied, will the originator of that “correct practice” be pleased when there is a failing (or refusal) to implement His will?

    The concept of the restoration of the true church is a view that the CC holds in common with Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses. If the church only existed in “seed” (meaning the Word) as you say during this church gap period, where in the “seed” does it prophecy that Alexander Campbell and his followers would restore the church? Or where in the “seed” does it authorize anyone to restore the church?

    RT – This seems to illustrate a tremendous failing to understand the restoration movement. Since the seed will produce like kind, and the word of God is the seed to growth (Luke 8:11), what is it that will be produced but that which God designed? Is there fault to be found in the sentiment: “Let us call Bible things by Bible names and let us do Bible things in Bible ways.”? This is not a comprehensive sentiment, but it is useful to serve its purpose. The seed is God’s chosen method to produce in man what He wants accomplished. I gather that you have found fault in what some men have attempted to do in implementation of this. That’s your prerogative, I suppose. I will not find fault. What I will do, however, is measure everything taught by man against the Lord’s revealed will (John 12:48; 1 John 4:1). You criticize anyone who follows A. Campbell, and that might be an acceptable thing (when it comes to religious ideology) because Campbell is not the standard of authority of any Christian. Your last question amazes me.

    Is it fair to accuse other Christians groups of being started by men, when history clearly shows that the Church of Christ was started by men—Thomas and Alexander Campbell on May 4, 1811?

    RT – No, it would not be fair if your assertion were true. On the other hand, let us call into question your assertion, and with that I will wait until you establish your assertion. For the record, your attempt will not be difficult to handle!

    How does the Bible differentiate between joining a local congregation and joining the universal church of Christ (chapter 22, Your Church)?

    RT – In Scripture it is the Lord who adds to the church (Acts 2:47). Those that belong to Him He has sealed (Ephesians 1:13). Joining a local congregation is a local thing, nothing more. 

     

  • Ron Thomas 5:09 am on February 24, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    2 Samuel 22 

    This chapter is a psalm of praise for the Lord. It is a reproduction of Psalm 18.

    1. The Lord is David’s strength (22:1-4).
    2. In distress David calls out to the Lord (22:5-7).
    3. The Lord’s response to David’s call (22:8-16).
    4. According to David’s righteousness the Lord was his support (22:17-25).
    5. The Lord’s responsive attributes (22:26-28).
    6. God is a shield to all who trust Him (22:29-37).
    7. David is victorious over his enemies (22:38-46).
    8. David’s summary of God’s greatness (22:47-51).

    Application: The application of this psalm is in who the Lord is. Whatever is to be said about David and his character, it is to be said in relation to the Lord’s response to him. David would not have been – could not have been – as successful as he was without the Lord. Neither can we!

     

  • J. Randal Matheny 5:23 pm on February 23, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Sobering: The torch has passed, &c. 

    In the past months quite a few missionaries, former missionaries and Brazilian Christians have passed away among the first generation of saints in the country. Another entered eternity yesterday. It’s sobering to realize that the torch has passed. The responsibility is great. The pressures grow by the day to abandon the good news they brought. Who will stay the course?

    • Rick Kelley, Michael Carter, and I have been posting some poetry lately on the Christian Poets website. Check it out and join up. If you’re interested in writing, let me know below, and I’ll add you to the writing side of the group. It’s as easy as sending an email.

    • If you’re not a Twitter fan, you still have several options to get Quick Bible Truths by email, RSS, or on Facebook. The new site is functioning marvelously. Today, a new blurb about the service got aired: “Quick Bible Truths shares the powerful reality of God in short bursts.” A good description, that.

     

  • TFRStaff 3:12 pm on February 23, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    Crowley’s Ridge College Lectureship, Apr 15-18 

    Johnny Hinton submitted this to BNc, but it’s more an ad than news, though very worthy.

    Crowley’s Ridge College (Paragould, AR) will be conducting its 12th Annual Bible Lectureship. April 15-18 "Psalms: Songbook of Israel." See PDF here.

     

  • Weylan Deaver 11:04 am on February 23, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    It has been mentioned before, but I would encourage all to be familiar with (and support, if you can) the new Warren Christian Apologetics Center (http://warrenapologeticscenter.org/). There are some denominational folk doing good work in the apologetics arena, but the Warren Center is an effort by our brethren to uphold the cause of Christian theism in a skeptical world.

     

  • John T. Polk II 10:56 am on February 23, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Love Is Forever 

    Power Point charts are available at: http://doverchurchofchrist.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Feb12.swf

     

  • TFRStaff 10:50 am on February 23, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    2012 Reflections Campaign 

    Rick Popejoy writes: We are gearing up for the 2012 Reflections Campaign.

    This year we will be in Grand Prairie, Texas. Please mark the dates of June 15-22 on your calendars.

    If you would like to be a part of this campaign in any fashion, please contact me ASAP. We would certainly covet your prayers and we will try to keep you informed about the progress of this campaign.

    rick

    405.756.2366 (office)
    405.428.2440 (cell)
    rickpopejoy@gmail.com (email)

     

  • The Old Cowboy - Roy Coffman 10:31 am on February 23, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    The Old Cowboy has a lot to do today. First a few final words of wisdom learned in working with many others on the outreach efforts of the Sunny Slope church of Christ here in Omaha. The first big lesson learned is shown in my comment “working with many others on the outreach efforts.” If you have the idea that one or two people can get the job done, you have already failed. In the last three days I have only scratched the surface of what has been accomplished in the last eight years, and really didn’t tell everyting about the first year. Cable television is now being used more then the newspaper. A radio show that started as a Saturday or Sunday night effort is currently a morning feature Monday through Friday on radio stations in Omaha, Nebraska, Council Bluffs, Iowa and Kansas City Missouri.

    The newspaper ad design works very well. The most important elements would be that it covers only one subject, the Free Bible Studies, and it has a lot of white space. Pictures of the preacher, his name, along with pictures of the building and the worship service times, and sermon topics are left out. They are just clutter and a big distraction to the subject at hand. The ten point border around the ad makes it impossible for the World Herald to hide it, even when they throw it up against the gutter. We learned too that the two least read pages in the paper are the business section and the religious page.

    Gary records the televison commercials while sitting in an over stuffed chair in what looks like a simple living room setting. He wears a simple pair of slacks and a sports shirt with no tie or jacket. He always has a Bible in the picture and some times it is his worn out one. The message is simple, friendly, and conversational. The commercials are very effective and people respond to them. You have to ask yourself, are you featuring a good looking preacher, or maybe a slick looking building or God’s Word. Neighbor, we have proven that folks respond to God;s Word, not good looking preachers or buildings or programs or game nights.

    Everything is tracked and very good recrods are kept. That includes an individuals name address and phone number and email address if they offer that. The zip codes tell us what sections of the area are being reached. We have found what areas we have not reached and in one case placed a series of half page ads in a neighborhood style paper. Every time there is a bring a friend day, Gospel Meeting, or big special sermon series a letter goes out to all of the individuals who have contacted us about a Bible study. What all of that has helped to do is every week including Wednesday nights there are several visitors from the community. Several one-on-one Bible studies are constantly going on, and conducted by the regular old members. Almost every night there is something going on in the building, and recently thirty five feet had to be added to the length of the auditorium. There are now Bible classes for every age group, a strong teen group, young adult group, and a singles group which includes some of the older singles. As I have related earlier in these stories the congregation started in 2004 with sixty members and now a lot of Sunday’s you’ll find a hundred and sixty worshiping God together. If you have other questions give me a call.

     

  • Ron Thomas 10:00 am on February 23, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    A Few Thoughts From: Matthew 25 

    Preparation is always easy to understand, but unfortunately is seems to be more difficult to apply. There is a reason for that: “I have time.” With regard to the Lord many think they have time because they are, in part, looking for the signs of the Lord’s return; sign of the times, you might say. Why shouldn’t they? They have heard from premillennialists that there are signs to occur when the Lord returns, and they could just wait till then. It appears, however, that five of the virgins anticipated incorrectly the time of the bridegrooms return!

    ****

    The “talents” of this chapter do not pertain to one’s ability. Thus, when one says: “My talent is to play the guitar” or, another says: “My talent is to sing songs to the Lord” misses the point of what we are to understand. What’s the point? How well did you work with that which your Lord gave to you? Did you seek to manage well that which belongs to another, or did you seek to keep that which belongs to another for your own purposes? Take note of the “name” of the servant (25:30). Another point to remember: the Lord of these servants knew well the capability of the particular servants; there was an expectation along with the responsibility given. Don’t judge what other servant do or can’t do; be sure you do what you ought to do.

    ****

    Preparation, Propriety, and Punishment

     

  • J. Randal Matheny 5:30 am on February 23, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Shedding innocent blood 

    Ron, your final question causes shudders, as I think of abortion having caused millions and millions of deaths; of the elderly who have been thrown aside and often terminated, under the guise of compassion; of the so-called assisted suicides; of what seems to have become a trend in killing small children whose parent or caretaker deems them an inconvenience; of senseless murders by robbers and home invaders and addicts; of drunken drivers who negligently kill with cars. God will not hold such people guiltless. Nor will he excuse a country that turns a blind eye to such.

     

    • Ron Thomas 5:42 am on February 23, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      My opinion is pessimistic; still, I will do what I can.

      I will write my letters to the editor; I will write my weekly articles; I will engage in the community to the degree that I have an interest and time; we will promote the cause of the Lord with campaigns, benevolence. In the confines of the building we will teach the Lord’s way.

      I (we) will do what I (we) can.

  • Ron Thomas 5:05 am on February 23, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    2 Samuel 21 

    1. The events of this chapter seem to have occurred earlier in David’s reign; at least that is how many exegetes think. Saul and Jonathan had not been given a proper burial, for in 1 Samuel 31:11-14 their bodies were disposed in haste. Mephibosheth was in the king’s care (he did not come into the king’s care until C-9). Because of the actions of Saul the Lord brought judgment on the land. The form of that judgment was draught. David made a connection between the “bloodthirstyness” of Saul and the house of the Gibeonites. In order to “atone” for the land (and nation) David sought counsel from the victims. “No payment in money,” they said, “but in like judgment.” This meant that the house of Saul was to give up some of the living for the benefit of the whole nation (21:4-6). Two sons and five grandsons were given the Gibeonites for execution. After the land had been expiated the remainder of the chapter focuses on David’s battles and his particular removal from any further battles (21:17).
    2. Bible Difficulties. In v. 2 the Amorites are identified as the Hivites in Joshua 9:7. Is there a contradiction? No. “In many passages of the OT, however, the Amorites appear as the predominate population of Canaan, and accordingly (as in the cuneiform inscriptions) give their name to the inhabitants of the whole country” (Hastings Bible dictionary, vol. 1, p. 84). **** The reading of the chapter, especially verses 1-14, is hard on the ears of people today. Because of the actions of Saul the Lord brought draught to the land. In David making the connection he gave descendants of Saul’s house to those victimized by him – a form of judgment; the guilt or innocence in the actions of Saul are not explicitly mentioned. If, however, this was done in accordance with Numbers 35:29-34, those given would have to have been guilty. These men were given “before the Lord”; in other words, to remove the pollution of blood from the land by the Lord (21:14).
    3. Application: I find it interesting that in olden times the Lord looked upon the shedding of innocent blood as bringing guilt upon the land of Israel. What does he think about our land today?
     

  • TFRStaff 4:14 am on February 23, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    Anchors
    By Bess S. Ayers

    When sailing through the storms of doubt, discouragement, or pain,
    I shall not fear the lashing wind, nor fury of the rain.

    Three anchors hold my little craft; I tested them with care;
    There’s one of faith, one of hope, and one of daily prayer.

    With these to hold my ship secure; what danger can betide?
    I know that I shall reach at last; a harbor safe and wide.

    Psalm 1:1-3

    Blessed is the man
    Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,
    Nor stands in the path of sinners,
    Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
    But his delight is in the law of the LORD,
    And in His law he meditates day and night.
    He shall be like a tree
    Planted by the rivers of water,
    That brings forth its fruit in its season,
    Whose leaf also shall not wither;
    And whatever he does shall prosper.

    “Thoughts For Today to Brighten Your Day” by Glenn, Mercedes and Lauren Hitchcock

     

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