Errors of the Church of Christ (10)
10. Is the CC ever a “stumbling block” to the gospel? Do those who hear this emphasis on law and guilt ever “perish of thirst beside what should have been a refreshing pool of the water of life (chapter 17, Mortality Rate)?”
RT – As revealed in Scripture, the Lord’s church is NEVER a stumbling block to the gospel. His church is surely a stumbling block to man-made institutions, however. The second question I can’t answer because I have not heard such things.
11. Apparently the CC spends a good bit of time studying other groups’ theology in order to condemn what they see as egregious errors. And labels are attached such as “sectarian,” “liberal,” “ultra-conservative,” “heretic,” “not sound in the faith,” “not of us,” “dishonest,” or “institutional,” or an “anti” or an “extremist.” Such labels are put on denominational churches as well as sister Churches of Christ. Ketcherside insisted that the apostle Paul would vehemently reject such labels, and said, “Unless our brethren are transformed by the Spirit and renounce their false premise they are destined to become the most narrow and antagonistic sectarians of our age.” Let us emphatically assert that such sectarian feelings are not unique to the CC! We have enough experience with denominations to know that many in the denominational world see themselves as members of the denomination first and as Christians second. They are bound by inbred traditions and uninspired creeds which they feel a necessity to defend. Lengthy confessional statements are the way that many organizations put a straight jacket on pastors, teachers, and lay leaders. But, unlike the CC, most will allow fellowship and communion with those outside the denomination and certainly consider others as true Christians.
RT – In this commentary of yours may help another in some way; perhaps this is a good thing. However, that said, it’s just a commentary and its value is limited.
12. Some say that what the CC really means by “unity on the Bible” is to follow their particular view of things, including no instrumental music, gospel plan, Bible name, weekly communion, ruling elder church government, etc. Is it correct that your answer to division is for everyone else to line up with you, as Leroy Garrett claims? Isn’t there a difference between unity and uniformity? In other words, can’t we have unity without uniformity? We hear from CC people that they will fully accept anyone who “repents.” But what seems to be meant by repent is to forsake non-CC views and come on over. What did Paul mean in Romans 14:18-19? Does it mean that whoever serves Christ in the way you think they should is “acceptable to God?” Or what did Jesus mean when in Mark 9:38-51: “John said to him, ‘Teacher, we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him, because he was not following us.’ But Jesus said, ‘Do not forbid him; for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon after to speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is for us. For truly, I say to you, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you bear the name of Christ, will by no means lose his reward.”
RT – If Leroy Garrett was my only source I might be inclined to think your first question would have merit. Since, however, the Scriptures speak nothing of Leroy Garret I can only answer it in accordance with that – 1 John 1:1-3. Your second question is answered yes. Your third question is, potentially, yes. The remainder of your questions are loaded with much bias. The Lord’s church can accept no one, but those who repent (Acts 17:30-31), and it is the Lord who adds to the church, not man (Acts 2:47). With regard to Romans 14, it is not responsible to interpret Paul’s words in light of denominationalism – since it did not exist in his day like it does in our day. Moreover, what Paul had in view was not a compromise with regard to what the Lord explicitly taught, but with regard to interpersonal relationship and private opinions. Additionally the passage in Mark 9:38-41 does not allow – even for a moment – teachings that are contrary to one another as if both came from God! To suggest as much is to abuse the passage.
As this series continues I have grown weary of these commentary remarks. Nevertheless, in my view, there is warrant for tackling the issues by this author and giving biblical answers on my own commentary on his remarks. Perhaps some have tired of these posts. I hope that is not the case, but if it is, I beg your indulgence as they will continue.
Stevelucas 1:20 am on February 16, 2012 Permalink |
Ron, I appreciate your efforts in providing Scriptural facts vs. the commentary written by the individual who posted these “CC errors” or the commentary/opinions offered by those alluded to as speaking on behalf of CC (Ketcherside, et al). You may have already addressed this thought: Are your words reaching the author of “CC errors?” If the author is genuinely seeking answers to the many thoughts posited, such can be found in your many posts.
Ron Thomas 4:01 am on February 16, 2012 Permalink |
Steve, I do not know whether they are or not. What I plan to do is send it to him (them) when I am finished. Perhaps that can open something up in the way of dialogue. **** Thank you for your remarks.
ELYSEE ALEXANDER 6:25 am on February 17, 2012 Permalink |
I WANNA SAY YOU SOME THINH ABOUT CHURCH OF CHRIST DOCTRINE IS VERY GOOD AND I LIKE IT,BUT AT THE PRATICE IS SO BAD AND ZERO , EVERY CHURCH SAY IT AUTONOME CHURCH ,AND SOME TIME YOU CAN SEE AND ANY CHURCH OF CHRIST SOME PREACHER ACCEPT THE MUSIC INSTRUMENTAL AND ANY CHURCH YOU SEE THE PENTECOSTAL SYSTEM . BECAUSE THE PREACHER IS SEEKING PREVENT FINANCIAL HELP FOR IS MINISTRY IN SOME TIME JEZABEL IS ENTER IN THE CHURCH OF CHRIST DOCTRINE .
SO I THINK IS MY JOB TO TALK ABOUT THAT .BECAUSE THE ORGANISATION CHURCH IN THE WORLD IS VERY BAD IF YOU GO TO THE TESTIGO JEHOVA AND ,AND EBEN -EZER CHURCH OR DOCTRINE YOU CAN SEE THE DIFERENCE, AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH YOU SEE THE DIFERENCE ,WHAT ABOUT CHURCH OF CHRIST,THE ORGANISATIONSYSTEM DOCTRINAL SYSTHEM IS VERY BAD WE NEED TO REBARCK AT THE PRIMITIVE CHRISTIAN AND CHURCH OF CHRIST WHO JESUS BUILT.ACTS2V42 -47
HOW DO YOU FEEL IF I WANT TO GO TO PREACH AT AFRICA OR BLENGADECH OR NIGERIA OR JAPON OR USA IT MY BUSNISS. SO I DONT UNDERSTAND THAT .
IT S NOT THE CHURCH OF CHRIST SO TO DAY IT PREACHER X OR MINISTRY Y ITS NOT CHURCH OF CHRIST IN THE WORLD . WHAT CHRIST JESUS BULT.
SO IT S NECESARY TO REBARCK AT JESUS DOCTRINE .
Ron Thomas 6:42 am on February 17, 2012 Permalink |
I don’t understand some of the things you are saying. The “church of Christ doctrine” you speak of is a term that does not communicate. If it is in the NT then that is a doctrine (teaching) that is to be followed by all. There is no compromise on this. If it is not in the NT, then it is a matter of opinion and nothing more. **** Regarding the musical instrument, since it is not in the NT as something the Lord sanctioned, then those who make use of it in the worship setting have gone further than the NT teaches (2 John 9-11). **** With regard to the organization, once again, it either has authorization from the NT or it does not. For instance, “pastor” in the NT refers to an elder, shepherd, bishop. It does not refer to the preacher. ***** Your desire to preach in another country is strictly up to you and those who support you.